The operate cone is defective.

[La Perle]

Hi everyone. I removed the cover plate to find out that my problem is probably the throw-out bearing or rear thrust because it goes ok in forward and is grinding in neutral and reverse but cannot get reverse. If it is the operate cone, I have no choice, I have to buy a rebuilt , right?
Fair winds
Pierre.

[hanleyclifford]

Could you possibly post a picture of the suspected part. Just one shot from above the assembly could tell us a lot.

[La Perle]

The reversing gear is not removed yet. What I have seen from the cover looks ok. The reverse band, the brace, the pin,the yoke erverything look fine. I do not see the throw-out bearing and the rear thrust either. I see the cone itself and it works, I have a nice detent in forward. I will pull the boat out of water this week and begin to remove the engine.
When the problem appear it had a grinding sound in neutral and when trying to put in reverse. Smoke and a little oil spill. May be the rear thrust bearing fail and bust the oil seal; I don't know. As soon as I have the engine out I will check deeper and send some pictures. My first question was if it is the operating cone; can I change it or do I have to buy a rebuild one? I checked in the catalog and couldn't find the throw-out bearing and the clutch disks eitheir.
Thank's
Fair winds
Pierre.

[ArtJ]

I would suggest getting Moyers video on the reversing gear. It thoroughly
goes thru the reversing gear in detail


Regards

Art

[lat 64]

I found an oddity when I pulled my reversing gear—the pilot bearing was very rusted. It seems it didn't get much or any oil and collected moisture.
I think the pilot bearing is spinning when in neutral and reverse, but in forward is idle and spins with the crank. If this is true, then it is consistent with your symptoms.

Just a thought,
Russ

[La Perle]

I pulled out the engine and remove the reversing gear assembly. Everything in there looks good. the rear thrust bearing and the seal are OK all the parts that I can see are OK but the pilot bearing still in place and I can't get it out because I can not find a puller small enough to get there. A friend of mine told me to fill the center of the bearing with grease and push it behind the bearing with a shaft and a hammer and make the bearing goes out. I found metal particles in the pan. May be I will have to buy a reversing gear assembly.

Fair winds
Pierre.

[hanleyclifford]

Not so fast. You need to get that pilot bearing out. It is common for them to be sticky in the crank. If you can get in there for a picture it would be very valuable.

[lat 64]

Pierre,
Stick your finger into the pilot bearing and spin it. It should turn smoothly.
If not, replace it. Aw heck, replace it anyway!

I have done the trick with grease many times to remove pilot bearings. Sometimes working on my back in the snow!
It really does work. Use thick heavy grease, and the shaft that you use to push should fit precisely in the pilot bearing center. The energy goes into the grease and then builds up and pushes back against the bearing.

You will get grease that squeezes out and you will have to refill the cavity a few times. just keep at it.

Wear glasses too.

Russ

That sketch is a little off, the pilot bearing is actually in the end of the crank, not the flywheel. My bad.:o

[La Perle]

Hi everyone, I checked the bearing and make it turn with my finger, I will change it and the rear thrust bearing also. The fact that those bearings don't seem to be so bad, make me wondering about the fact that I cannot get the reverse. When the problem appears it appears suddenly in forward mode with grinding sound, smoke and no more reverse. Is there a way to check if something wrong inside the gear case without disassembly the reversing gear case?
Fair winds
Pierre.

[ArtJ]

Have you spoken to Don Moyer? Perhaps it is time to do so.

[La Perle]

Hi everyone, I finally get the forward pilot bearing out of the crank. The trick with the grease work real good. It is not the forward bearing either. It is the pilot bearing inside the case. I am waiting for all the bearings and seal and I will put the whole thing back together. I notice in the overhaul manual that now there is only two disks to have a wider bearing. Should I change my old three clutch disks to a two disks or it is OK to the repair this one?
Fair winds
Pierre.